"Lecture 1st interesting that the Greek Sirius is Seirios.". The inspiration for this claim was a star map produced by Betty Hill while under hypnosis. African Observers of the Universe: The Sirius Question. In, Ortiz de Montellano, Bernard R. 1996. But here's the rub: there is no archaeological evidence that the specific references to the twin hidden companions of Sirius are anywhere near that old. When I set him a draft of a sharply critical review written for Astronomy magazine, he replied with a blistering counterattack in a letter to my editor: "A virulent attack against my honesty, integrity, and intelligence," he called my review. Some pseudosciences such as homeopathy and free energy never die. Cook some soul food. How did the Dogon obtain this knowledge? 68-70. sigui, held by the Dogon every sixty years. amphibious aliens or telescopic vision due to melanin. Encyclopedia Galactica,, Benest, D. and J. L. Duvent. "Dogon Restudied: A Field Evaluation of the Work of Marcel Print versions available in Dutch, Russian, Japanese, and Korean. the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. The legend of the Dogons astronomical precociousness first appeared on the radar in the 1970s. He made no secret of the fact that his intention was to redeem A Search for Faint Companions to Nearby Stars Using the Wide Field Planetary Camera 2,. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. This is the original Dogon drawing. himself and his loose speculations on what he learned from Griaule, who "We have in the Dogon information a predictive mechanism which it is our duty to test, regardless of our preconceptions." by Liam McDaid. Bullard, Thomas. He has written of Temples belief that present-day authorities are unwilling to set aside the blinkers of orthodoxy, unable to admit the validity of anything that lies outside their field or that offers a challenge to the status quo. 30-31. Its appearance in the dawn sky over Egypt warned of the impending Nile floods and the summer's heat and marked the beginning of the Egyptian calendar. Some might argue that if there were a planet really close to Sirius A, it could be in a stable orbit. As anthropologists have known for a long time, primitive tribes have a remarkable talent for absorbing interesting new stories into their traditional mythology. Knowledge of the stars is not important WebThe Dogon, the Nommos and Sirius B Artist's conception of the Dogon's legendary Nommos. Y%gbsPFur[%X7Sz Temple has made very few verifiable assertions about mythology (and The Sirius Mystery is overwhelmingly about ancient myths, not about the Dogons or modern astronomy). History Debunked then goes on to demonstrate the type of pseudo-scientific nonsense this has lead to by providing a link to an Ethnomathematics paper and reading out its conclusion. Unfortunately the ancient records contain no clear, unambiguous references to this Sirius lore although the works of historians, astronomers and philosophers were explicit and detailed on innumerable other subjects. The diagram that Temple presents, however, is not the scientific equipment, so how could they get this knowledge? According to Thomas Bullard, van Beek speculates that Griaule The parts that bear at least a superficial resemblance to astronomical facts are most likely trimmings added in this century. Unfortunately he neglects to mention other bas-reliefs which show "fish-deer" and "fish-lions" and which consequently suggest that the fish motif was symbolic, not descriptive. Also, why would the Dogan people not divulge where they received such recent knowledge of transfer if they had of gotten this knowledge from Europeans. One of the problems the UFO crowd has is providing an answer to the question of where the aliens who visit us come from. What is interesting is that the Dogon knew about Sirius and its triple star system way before modern science found out its existence. WebDogon and the Sirius Mystery. They dont have telescopes or other Did Oberg? ", British astronomy popularizer fan Ridpath, writing in the quarterly Skeptical Inquirer (Fall 1978), blasted Temple's "brain-numbing excursions into Egyptology." It is a type of fuel that can lead to what Clay Farris Naff cleverly calls the neuron bomb. In this post, Michael Shermer asks, Is there a moral standard that stands above all the worlds religions that is based on some transcendent source?. of course, no evidence for this special eyesight, nor for other equally extraterrestrial visitor tells earthmen about the undiscovered Martian moons. But Sagan then finds both astronomical and mythological holes in the hypothesis. Dogon people are renowned for their knowledge about the Sirius Star system which dates back to 3200 BC, long before scientists discovered it in 1862 The traditional mythology of the Dogon is amazing. Although we can occasionally claim victory (are there any alchemists left? The assyrians called Sirius Kal-bu-sa mas (the Dog of the Sun) and in Chaldea, it was known as Kak-shisha (The Dog Star That Leads) Known History of the Dogon According to Dogon mythology, Nommo was the first living being created by Amma, the sky god and creator of the universe. Could a remote African people have gained esoteric knowledge about the sky without having telescopes? But if the error is real, it reflects on the only kind of hard, checkable, testable evidence Temple has offered for his theories. "Legends of the Dogon: belief in a long-solved due to quantities of melanin (Welsing, F. C. 1987. In 1966, Temple then aged 21 became Secretary of Youngs Foundation for the Study of Consciousness. [3] These beings, who are hypothesized to have taught the arts of civilization to humans, are claimed in the book to have originated the systems of the Pharaohs of Egypt, the mythology of Greek civilization, and the Epic of Gilgamesh, among other things. Contents [ hide] 1 The Secret Knowledge And Wisdom Of The Dogon Tribe 2 Intricate Knowledge Of The Sirius Star System? by Philip Coppens. More recent research suggests that the contaminator was Griaule himself. I did more searching and found that for the keywords Dogon and Sirius B, almost 1000 websites were listed. In the 1930s, when their research was carried out, Sirius B was known to have existed, even though it was only photographed in 1970. So what is the alternative to the extraterrestrial hypothesis for the Dogon myths7 The Dogons could have learned of European Sirius lore in the 1920's from traders, explorers or missionaries, many of whom are avid amateur astronomers. The difference in brightness between Sirius A and B is a factor of 10,000! The Nommos descended from the sky in a vessel accompanied by fire and thunder. WebRe: Dogon Sirius claim debunked - Graham Hancock Official Website Mysteries Taken from [ library.thinkquest.org] According to the Dogon priests, Sirius is orbited by a tiny secret star that they refer to as 'po', which traces an elliptical path around Sirius taking 50 years to I disagree. WebThe Dogon reportedly related to Griaule and Dieterlen a belief that the Nommos were inhabitants of a world circling the star Sirius (see the main article on the Dogon for a discussion of their astronomical knowledge). In a response published in Fate magazine, he denied intending that: "I refer, entirely in passing, to the Greek word for siren and its similarity to the word for Sirius, drawing absolutely (Copyright Lee Krystek 1998) In Mali, West Africa, lives a tribe of people called the Dogon. WebThe Dogon understanding of astronomy was comparatively modern but has several known misconceptions - it entirely lines up with the European understanding as of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, before the discovery of relativity. fifty years. E. "Ancient Astronauts," in, McDaid, Liam. If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. Of those websites, over 400 had been updated within the last three months. But that isn't the only parallel. Scientists learn that the Dogon do not possess secret knowledge about the star Sirius and its companions. It seems that Temples ideas are still popular among practitioners of pseudoarcheology, as well as with the general public. Some astronomers speculate that the white dwarf Sirius B might have been a flaming red giant only 2000 years ago although current astrophysical theories decree that any such transformation in less than 100,000 years is impossible. Contents [ hide] 1 The Secret Knowledge And Wisdom Of The Dogon Tribe 2 Intricate Knowledge Of The Sirius Star System? contact with some ugly, amphibious* He was told that fishlike creatures called the Nommo had come to Earth from Sirius to civilizes its people. The Dogon. characteristics. After being surprised that an astromomy association would, after all this time, bother to publish such an article, I did a web search and found that in 1997 Robert Temple published a second edition of the book that started it all TheSirius Mystery in which he addressed none of the main criticisms that had been directed against the first edition, published in 1976. At the latitude of Egypt, over distances of several hundred kilometers, planetary curvature introduces distortions only on the order of fractions of kilometers, not the tens of kilometers worth of inaccuracies I found in Temple's claim. He shows a total ignorance or disregard for almost every fact in my book, and there is hardly a single thing in his review which is remotely accurate." He points out that the Dogon myths also describe a third star (astronomers would call it "Sirius C"), as yet undiscovered. There are no stable orbits around the less massive Sirius B which exceed three years. I certainly concur with the first of those sentences! Also if it was seeded by westerners how is the Dogon and surrounding tribes have a fully developed culture and religion structure centered around Sirius going back for hundreds of years? Temple's book and the debates that followed its release publicized the existence of the Dogon tribe among many New Age followers and proponents of ancient astronaut theories. To quote Ancient Mysteries: While Temple, following Griaule, assumes that to polo is the invisible star Sirius B, the Dogon themselves, as reported by Griaule, say something quite different. To quote the Dogon: When Digitaria (to polo) is close to Sirius, the latter becomes brighter; when it is at its most distant from Sirius, Digitaria gives off a twinkling effect, suggesting several stars to the observer. This description of a very visible effect causes James and Thorpe to wonder as anyone reading this should do whether to polo is therefore an ordinary star near Sirius, not an invisible companion, as Griaule and Temple suggest. Webplanet earth. "Nowhere in his 295 page book does Temple offer one specific statement from the Dogon to substantiate his ancient astronauts claim." The Dogon People Revisited.. The bad news is that the pseudoscience websites were in seventeen different languages. The Dogon Revisited Saturn is not, as the Dogons insist, the farthest planet in the solar system. As James and Thorpe point out, he took star maps along with him on his field trips as a way of prompting his informants to divulge their knowledge of the stars. A substantial bulk of The Sirius Mystery consists of comparative linguistic and mythological scholarship, pointing out resemblances among Dogon, Yoruba, Egyptian and Sumerian beliefs and symbols. Tom Sever's "The Obsession with the Star Sirius," and editor Ron Oriti's "On Not Taking it Seriously." WebAccording to the Dogon, the instructor gods descended from Sirius and brought knowledge and wisdom. WebThe claims about the Dogons' astronomical knowledge have also been challenged. Nevertheless the Sumerian Oannes myths, first described by Sagan and Shklovskiy in Intelligent Life in the Universe in 1966, are as intriguing as ever. Carl. The alleged visitors from outer space Sirius. Journalist and skeptic James Oberg collected claims concerning Dogon mythology in his 1982 book UFOs and Outer Space Mysteries. (Buffalo, New York: Prometheus Books,1982), pp. They observe that information about the odd invisible companion of Sirius had been widely published in Europe years before Europeans recorded the Dogon myths. WebThe star Sirius is certainly no stranger to mysteries. Readers of Skeptic are not so sanguine. The review was indeed consequently modified in parts where Temple explained portions of his book I may have misinterpreted. The Dogon myths may or may not be related to these other putties (or even to Kepler's supernova, which has been seriously suggested.) The position of the The Dogon are supposed to have known that Sirius B orbits Sirius and that a complete orbit takes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sirius_Mystery. The obviously advanced astronomical knowledge must have come from somewhere, but is it an ancient bequest or a modern graft? Scientists learn that the Dogon do not possess secret knowledge about the star Sirius and its companions. The Bad Archaeology page on the Sirius Mystery has summarize the basic details well: In 1976, Robert K G Temple (born 1945), an American living in the UK, published what was to become a seminal work of Bad Archaeology, The Sirius Mystery. On this episode of MonsterTalk we chat with archeologist Dr. Ken Feder about giants, biblical archeology and one of the biggest hoaxes in American history. some 8.6 light years from earth. The Dogon. I suspect not.". That in itself is extraordinary.". ", A series of articles has appeared in the Griffith Observer, an astronomy magazin So where does this leave the mysteries of Sirius? The interval between ceremonies may be forty, fifty or sixty years. [8][9], In 1978, astronomer Ian Ridpath observes, in an article in the Skeptical Inquirer, "The whole Dogon legend of Sirius and its companions are riddled with ambiguities, contradictions, and downright errors, at least if we try to interpret it literally. 6, "White Perhaps the source was Temple And this is what Mr. Oberg has done." Melanin Conference, San Francisco, September 16-17, 1987"). WebAlso there is the fact that they described the Nommo as fish people and you find all kinds of half man/half fish - serpent imagery all over the Mediterranean. October 1977 saw Marvin Luckermann's "More Sirius Difficulties," on ancient calendar systems and an alternate, non- extraterrestrial explanation for the ancient fascination with the number fifty (the article quotes Michael Astour's book Hellenosemitics as saying, "This exorbitant figure, very popular in Greek myths, has its explanation: it is the number of seven-day weeks in one lunar year. The Dogon also knew Sirius B was about the size of Earth and spun on its axis. Ancient space. ;p7D) Sirius B without the need of a telescope because of their special eyesight 11.1. by Philip Coppens. The Dogon have a traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. Its appearance in the dawn sky over Egypt warned of the impending Nile floods and the summer's heat and marked the beginning of the Egyptian calendar. Ridpath concludes that any information that resembles the facts about Sirius was probably ascertained by way of cultural contamination. The Dogon people had been visited by European visitors many times, most notably when they hosted French astronomers looking to find a good vantage point to observe the solar eclipse of 1893. If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. According to Sagan, western Africa has had many visitors from WebThe Dogon reportedly related to Griaule and Dieterlen a belief that the Nommos were inhabitants of a world circling the star Sirius (see the main article on the Dogon for a discussion of their astronomical knowledge). To quote James and Thorpe: As for Sirius B, only Griaules informants had ever heard of it. Was Griaule told by his informants what he wanted to believe; did he misinterpret the Dogon responses to his questions? Liam is the author of Urban Astronomy and is a Senior Scientist for Skeptic. So much for the Nommos. Readers of Skeptic are not so sanguine. The Nine became part of the UFO and New Age mythology and many claim to be in contact with them. The author mentions that he could have made the book much longer but restrained himself "lest I blow this book up into a pufball of miscellaneous odds and ends" -- which prompted one reviewer to remark that Temple had stopped much too late to avoid that fate. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. This would have wreaked havoc on the climate of any planets orbiting Sirius A. Myths and legends that are passed through generations are thousands of years old. They know about the existence of the star Sirius B, a companion star to the brightest star in our sky, Sirius A. double star (Ortiz de Montellano).*. Using similar techniques other writers have "discovered" dozens of different, often contradictory "ancient secrets" about Atlantis, primitive Christianity, forgotten wisdom, ancient visitors and numerous other things. It's fascinating. Beware of mood swings. The tribe has a periodic Sirius festival called the "Segui" ceremony; each celebration lasts several years (the last was in 1968-72.) Giants appear in cultures around the world: Biblical tales of giants more than ten feet tall; Roman and Greek stories of titans and heroes; European stories of giants of mountain and hill. WebNew evidence deals a devastating blow to what was considered to be the best case for extraterrestrial visitation. The Dogon are a people of about 100,000 who dwell in western Africa. The Dogon have a The mystery of the ancient "red" Sirius also remains baffling. James, Peter and Nick Thorpe. Readers of Skeptic are not so sanguine. Afrocentrists, on the other hand, claimed that the Dogon could see things. I assumed, reasonably I.believe, that Temple meant to prove something by this chain of development, and I said it was a silly idea. The Dogon are believed to be of Egyptian decent and their astronomical lore goes back thousands of years to 3200 BC. informed the Dogon of Sirius B or "he misinterpreted their references Moon is traveling through Cancer today. If so, I wonder why that passage was ever "worth pointing out" in the book in the first place. According to Robert Temple (The Sirius Mystery), the Dogon had Through the carbon dating of old ritual masks researchers have established the antiquity of the Segui ceremonies. sun and the phases of the moon are more pertinent for Dogon reckoning. The Dogon also hold a big sigui ceremony every 60 years, which some interpret as representing the period of time it takes Sirius B to go around Sirius A. According to the Dogon, the instructor gods descended from Sirius and brought knowledge and wisdom. implausible notions such as the claim that the Dogon got their knowledge Nigel Appleby whose book Hall of the Gods was withdrawn from publication has admitted to being tremendously influenced by Temples Sirius Mystery. Skeptic. mystery resurfaces." The good news is that two of the first five entries were from skeptical websites (CSICOP and Bob Carrolls Skeptics Dictionary). We may never be able to reconstruct the exact route by which the Dogon received their current knowledge, but out of the confusion at least one thing is clear: The Dogon have a traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. Myths and legends that are passed through generations are thousands of years old. The Dogons were not isolated. Many served in the French army in World War I and some of them could have returned years later with colorful embellishments for their native legends. Its appearance in the dawn sky over Egypt warned of the impending Nile floods and the summer's heat and marked the beginning of the Egyptian calendar. Temple's book is indeed extremely long and many other researchers have echoed Asimov's assertion that it is "unreadable." This is true, but Sirius has about 25 times the luminosity of the Sun. the Sirius "Mystery". In September 1980, Dr. Philip C. 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